I’d make sure that they’re fighting and not play fighting. Oh and thanks for the picture. Remember that littermates have been tumbling and tussling together since they were old enough to see and walk. I hired a private training for our first two. I love learning about the long life of dogs, because I want all of ours to be with us forever. We live on three acres in a rural area and our dogs have never been let out without someone with them, but right now it’s necessary to take them out separately or they forget why they are outside and just want to play. I just started to walk them separately in am and pm. In the future, I’ll be waiting until our dogs are 9 – 12 months. So we created a sleeping space in a playpen area like this one: http://amzn.to/2nWfslu; it had toys and their beds and they began sleeping on separate beds. My family got litter mate huskies when I was a pre-teen. They seem to be fine so far, and we are trying to do things with them separately , so they get used to being apart. I’m slowly catching up by visiting 10 blogs a day, but people keep writing. I have never crated any dog, I don’t like the idea of cages. Bella and her brother, Jack, were added to our family as litter mates. For more details, visit the Affiliate Disclosure page. I’m glad I found this! We currently have litter mate mini schnauzers that are 3 months old. He has no trouble keeping them in line. Where do you live? I’m worried, does this mean she’s going to grow up aggressive? What did you do to put a stop to it? I fear the day the first one passes. Oops, didn’t mean to put a question mark after that first sentence. I cannot tell you how many people I’m meeting who have had a positive experience with littermates; it makes me so happy. Like I said, they’re currently together in a small indoor playpen with access to the doggy door. Prince was depressed and felt lost for awhile after his brother died but he has adjusted. He pulls and stops while we are walking sometimes out of the blue and almost tripped me this morning and just about broke my arms. Did the sleeping arrangements work out? At this rate, I and my one female pet, Cali the calico cat, gotta stick together . I wish I had more space so that I could provide that for my dogs. Today I have 3 dogs in the house and they are all doing well, but I still wonder what it would have been like if I brought home Linus and one of his siblings. Am I selfish to keep these two dogs and not insist that one be rehomed? They play fight all the time. I learned quickly, I built my confidence where our dogs are concerned, and that solved everything for us. Same as people want companionship, so does your dog. I have a set of littermates. So yes, if it exists, it doesn’t matter if their actual siblings, the fact that you have two puppies can result in issues if you don’t address their individual needs and work with a professional dog trainer. I, Kimberly Gauthier (owner), am a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com. I’m willing to do that if its in their best interest, but I’m not convinced that it is… Also, to what extent do I need to separate them? Our dogs are bonded to each other and to us. The older, a 10 lb. They had such different personalitites. Our boy, Scout, was twice the size we expected and if I had known he was going to grow so much, I would have left him intact for 6 months longer. This is my definition. We adopted littermates with no idea of the problems associated with doing so. Since you have to wait so long, I highly recommend finding someone who can meet with you sooner if you’re concerned. My dogs are happy, healthy and well adjusted. They are no longer coming when we call them and are having lots of accidents in the house regardless of our previous progress. I have two rescues adopted six months apart. They’re both still alive. Should we start separating them right away or should we wait until they’re older? They are always with me, if not I have a pet sitter who keeps them. We are planning to have them sleep apart in their own kennels. This bond and the personality traits and training challenges associated, is littermate syndrome My husband and I currently have a deposit down on 2 German Shepherd/Belgian Malinois mixed pups. Very strange. We are still working on acquainting them with other dogs but they are getting better with each socialization class. Thank you! Any advice on that would be great. What a wonderful website i’ve found! Any suggestions on how to make the transition go smoothly? The other litter the mom is chihuahua and dad unknown. I agree training is key, we have already engaged a trainer and are prepared for it to be an ongoing commitment. His original family didn’t want him. Congrats on the puppies!!! My fiancee and I have reserved two french bulldogs from the same litter (Brothers) one is shy and one is hyper. The dogs would go for walks together (I would walk them together), and they would occasionally play together, but otherwise Bella would be much more interested in being with me and Jack would be with my mom or brother more than me. (They were born on April 15th, my Birthday. The male is neutered and we have made plans in the next three months to get both females spayed. Definitely considering doing it again. I would like to be prepared in case anything happens . Pups alone are hard and taking on 2 everyone thinks we are crazy. I have one that the minute I let her out of the cage is trying to control the other. I have two twin 5 month old Doberman puppies that I got from a breeder when they were 1w weeks old. This always baffles me. They had their first cycle within days of each other and we had to keep them separated for three weeks; so hence the urgency of spaying them. Cause at this time unknown but most likely cancer. Best of luck. He gets nervous the second that I put a leash on him. Not just litter mates. Or even if you have a friend who wants to walk, your friend can walk one dog while you walk the other. I am glad to have found this blog to give me confidence again that I have done the right thing adopting two siblings. But not everyone is so dedicated and dog-savvy! Sounds like heaven. We introduced our dogs to new dogs slowly. I still take my dogs to classes and on play dates. I just want to add, that you also need to consider all those “scary” sites do have good reasons, and most reputable breeders would never sell littermates, or two puppies to the same household for the fact that the dogs can end up with terrible separation anxiety, problems socializing and most people can’t handle the demand of taking care of two puppies. The warnings were terrifying! Scout and Zoey have never fought. Best of luck! We blindly got littermates thinking, “oh they can keep each other company”. They will be able to give you the best advice. Rigo has done a great job keeping him in line and he did challenge Sydney a couple times but she easily reminded him of his place without fighting. We were sure to socialize them with humans the first few weeks we had them- we took them everywhere and they had contact with at least 100 humans before they were 12 weeks old so they love people! It takes a lot of time, work, budgeting (we’re not rich), and patience. They can't be trained together – we got a recommendation for a trainer who would train them together (Shannon Finch) and our PetSmart trainer (for Scout and Zoey) only requested that both of us attend training classes because her exercises were for one human / one dog. The first dog we got when he was 8wks and we have had him since then. when you say that you “separated” your dogs, how separate were they? Aug 29, 2020 - Need help with Littermate Syndrome? That’s totally the case. It seems not all litter mates succumb to this syndrome but when they do it can get quite ugly. They are best friends with each other and my wife and me as well. I think that it is a totally doable situation to fix it and you don’t have to rehome them. Please do not use content from this blog in place of veterinarian care. We never separated our littermates at night, we let them decide when they were ready to sleep apart Both sets of our littermates are laying around me as I’m typing. Our boy was hospitalized for 2 days recently and we noticed some changes in her demeanor, whiny,clingy, and lack of interest in playing and eating. I’m, afraid I will miss the sign and N will really be hurt. I think we won’t have an issues with having two at the same time, but it’s reassuring to hear that it has been done and can be done and be done successfully. Our girls add something to my life that I don't want to be without. I now work with each one alone, give lots of positive reinforcement when they are together and separate upon command, and put K in a crate when I see the signs that she is about to pounce. thanks for all the great advice. I think you need to be experienced, and you need to ignore the myths. The boys were trained at 3 months. I appreciate all the positive feedback here because there is no way I could pick one over the other. So we are really concerned, anxious about what’s coming and how our little family will cope. Rodrigo and Sydney were 8 weeks; we had 2 crates, but they were so small that we didn’t want to separate them, because they were in a new home and away from the rest of their litter. But I feel like I need to have a plan even so. I am not a dog trainer or behaviorist. would be more work than I’d recommend the average person or family take on. Have fun and best of luck!!! Do you have any other advice for me? I say that now. I love hearing success stories with dogs. But we did it! I have a blog post with books that helped me a lot: https://keepthetailwagging.com/top-10-books-for-dog-lovers-in-2015/. Littermate syndrome is serious, unless your invested to learning about dog behavior for God’s sakes do not get dogs from the same litter……. Thank you for the tips and positive perspectives! We didn't anticipate arthritis, an attack by a coyote, or a partial cruciate tear. They will be spayed and castrated at 6 months, probably on the same day. You can search the Association of Professional Dog Trainers: http://www.apdt.com. I am so sorry. We have had problems with them, but I think it falls back on us because they haven’t been neutered. They play together; jog with my husband as a pack together and are really well balanced level headed dogs. However, we would not allow her to focus on missing him,we took her for walks and got her moving to play and took her for rides. Congratulations on your GSDs. So many people fall in love with a puppy and forget that those puppies grow up to be dogs and it’s easier to train them from day one than when they get to big to manage. We have litter mates, Chokies-Bella and Opie. Yes, there can be depression if seperated later but again that happens to all dogs. Same litter. We are crate training our two, they already sleep in separate crates and have started puppy training, they are currently penned together during the day but once they get older they will be separated here as well. Patience is the key. It was a nice change of pace reading a pro-littermate adoption article. Thank you I get a lot of emails from people who are contemplating adopting littermates. I think we paid less than $200 for three 2-hour sessions with our puppies. Or maybe we were just lucky. Thank you so much for sharing your experience. Now that your two are two years old can you give me some advice or encouragement? LOL Cooper has ALSO bonded with me. This was more important for our first set of littermates. It gave our dogs comfort to know what was expected of them. I do find the vast majority of people who would be willing to sell littermates or two puppies are backyard breeders or puppy mills. So…in the process of trying to lessen his anxiety but with cold Midwest winters we don’t get out for much of the year. But that is in a perfect world. I am elderly with high bloodpressure, have never raised a dog from a puppy (I always inherited the dogs the kids left when they left home) and am really scared for the safety of N who is so sweet and docile. Also, I disagree with the statement that most reputable breeders wouldn’t sell littermates; I know many reputable breeders who would have no trouble selling 2 puppies to us and I know they’ve done so in the past. I did have 2 labs from the same breeder that were one year apart, and I experienced similar littermate issues even though they were not related to one another. Anyway, thank you again for this site. So I definitely think litter mates are easier, though I don’t think I would do that by myself. My worse two for fighting were Champ and Prince but they were not litter mates. did they sleep separately? Anyways I started reading about it and just like everyone else getting scared that I made the wrong choice. And when is it the proper time for the introduction? He is well trained and we have had no behavioral issue with him. Following a recent query from a concerned, prospsective, owner, I thought I would take this opportunity to dispel yet another commonly held belief, one which only serves to prevent good people from taking lovely dogs into their families. I just bought male litter mates, I was starting to worry! As for them not having anything to do with their humans; I can’t go anywhere without the two of them at my heels. Prevention is always the first step that should be taken, and this starts as soon as you bring the puppies home. I have had many dogs over decades and bred collies and dachshunds and never experienced this. Do everything separate. I have previous experience training two male dogs of similar age (not littermates) so it wasn’t something new to me. My daughter who is now nine years old only wanted a puppy for Christmas. They were fine all 3 together for a few months and then the two started fighting. Multiples or littermates has been a wonderful experience for my family. Do you still have your dogs? We keep them separate and all is well. I didn’t know about littermate syndrome when we brought our sister/brother labradoodles home 2 years ago. It can be overwhelming at times, but it’s going to be fun too. It really depends on the breed. My worry was that someone would see that they’re intack and steal them away to breed. It’s like I’m a walking dog park. They were 5 months old rescues, etc. I raise chows, and you cannot ever get a perfectly sweet chow. I would love to talk to you about littermates if you’re ever interested. I am not a veterinarian, canine/animal nutritionist, or dog trainer. I think you should try and separate them to see how they do. The rescue convinced me to adopt them both cause they felt Cooper needed Murphy. I think getting littermates can be a wonderful experience for the right family. I’m convinced that I would have had a problem had I not taken the time to research the dog breeds we brought into our home and if I had refused to work with a reputable, certified dog trainers. So I asked dog lovers and heard the same thing. When does the littermate syndrome start?. After 2 sessions at puppy school the bitch will now come out from hiding under a chair at the class, but at home or out she can sit, down and walk to heel on command. I took it all in stride because we've been judged for our choice many times. I wonder if the reason people are so against people bringing home two puppies is because so many people won’t do the work. (It’s best to start this immediately, on day two or three after they arrive in your home in order to prevent Littermate Syndrome!) I’m sorry you misunderstand my point. I researched it a little more and decided that they were all over reacting. With 2 dogs, you have twice the chance of unanticipated injuries. I have to say that reading these stories has given me some comfort knowing it can work with littermates, not just the horror stories, makes me feel that we can make it work as well. Thank you so much for sharing your experience! Littermates isn’t for every family and not every pair of puppies will turn out as well as our two sets have turned out. All of your blog is spot on. And we have to ensure they do not compete for toys and food, which can be a problem, we even feed them in separate rooms so they can’t see each other. Scout and Zoey have never fought. Would you agree? (Too late; we already did it.) It’s being a beam of the sun around any marine of ‘doom and gloom’ articles with raising litter mates! I have had liter mates twice. Once my mom let the dogs sleep inside, Bella slept in my bed. We have now got 14 week old siblings, dog and a bitch and they have bonded with us well and obviously love each other. Thanks for sharing your experience, Kimberly? I have read all the warnings about two puppies and littermate syndrome and have been feeling some anxiety but then read Kimberly’s words, “It only took 2 people being excited about the idea to convince me to go for it. I am excited to bring them home and look forward to seeing them grow and their personalities develop. It means a lot. We love them so much and are a joy! When training we have to either lock one in another room or someone has to hold one to restrain it, but that is the same with dogs in the same home with an age gap! It’s just so easy to take them all together when I do things with them. LOL. Yes, i agree with you completely. Although we have separate crates for our dogs (or at least we did when they were puppies) we didn’t force them to sleep apart. We went through dog beds, dog toys, and did you know that herding dogs love to dig holes – especially when they hear a mole underground? Sometimes I’d play with one puppy, while he walked the other. I didn’t separate my dogs; that was just a personal choice – so I may not be the best person to ask. Am I missing something or isn’t that the case with many multiple dog households? i think our society often puts too much of our human issues onto dogs. Chihuahua mix, was picked up as a stray when he was about six months old. The only problem I have noticed is they don’t like other dogs except their older fur sister (no relation) That’s how our dogs are too. The woman we worked with taught us so much. You’ll be fine. thanks for this discussion. As mentioned, we aren’t crating them, and when we leave the house- they are gated in the kitchen together- lots of people tell us this is a terrible idea, but we don’t have any other options without getting them to like their crates which is still a major work in progress. I think with everything dogs, it’s all about education; we need to do more sharing and less scare tactics. My 1 year old granddaughter got pick of the litter and I sold one female. Good luck litter mates are awesome and Moesha will be going to college with my daughter in 2018. I think humans (especially those inexperienced in reading dog behavior and dog “signals” and body language) mistake “wrestling and rumbling” for “fighting”. They love to play keep away from each other & tug of war, too. I am not an expert but I’ve had multiple non-litter mates and I do not think it is much different with litter mates. We put a deposit on both of them and waited until they were old enough to be brought home with us. Yes I feel its me that causes the issues between them. Thank you for having this site and for being willing to openly discuss for all of us. I just had to give Rodrigo and Sydney loads of love so they didn’t feel ignored. Opie looks and acts more like their Mom, and Bella is just like Dad, tea cup Yorkie. fight for the role of pack leader all the time; these fights can be violent and dangerous for the dogs and the family, it's also very stressful for all involved. So find a trainer that you feel comfortable with and you’ll see things turn around with you and your puppies. Hi! The only warning she gave us was ‘if the dogs start fighting, call me immediately so that we can get to work.' Toby and Prince were my next set. She had a stroke that night and they couldn’t save her. P.S the puppies will be 6 months by the time we will leave him/them home alone, Yes, I still have my dogs. Our dogs definitely have a hierarchy and it’ll be interesting to see if it remains. I guess the experts may know what they are talking about but in this case not. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated. I think a good age is 9 months, but it really depends on the breed. But again, thank you for the post, the haters that say it can’t be done are very disheartening.. my boys are my joy, they sleep on my bed, they are my posse.. Don't train, feed, or even walk them together until they're both reliably trained. The Samoyeds fought occasionally, but it was always because of an error on our part. This is a huge endeavor, but it is the only way to prevent the problems that would occur otherwise. i do have an adult dog in the house. That’s not to say it doesn’t exist, but think that our willingness to work with a trainer with all of our dogs eliminated any issues. Even if you don’t think you need one, hire one anyway. I ended up not bringing home two because of all the reasons you mentioned above. There have been some growling from Zoey when Scout comes sniffing around her toy or treat, but nothing more. I don’t have to worry, when I leave home, that they’re neurotically missing me. In our case, my two boys were the last two to be adopted from the litter. The best path is to work with a positive based dog trainer experience in canine behavior. That wAs one of the hardest things I think I’ve ever had to do. It’s funny because I think that most of the risks people warn about for littermates could be applied to any multi-dog household, especially when new dogs are adopted at the same time. I don’t understand the term “Littermate Syndrome”. The best way to prevent littermate syndrome is to pick the right breed. Thanks once more! Today is the day we adopted our littermates 5 years ago. If you have friends with dogs, take them all on a pack walk on a regular schedule. So I’ve only started really separating them this week and I think it’s too soon to tell how it’s going and decide if I made the right choice. Teresa, I am so sorry. We recently added two Yorkies (one boy and one girl) to our family. The younger was adopted when he was eight weeks so no real issues except that he is now bonded with my other dog to the point that he whines when I take the other out for a walk. The second 6 weeks I had a trainer come to the house. They love to snuggle and play together, but will be going to new homes on their own. We pick them up in a couple of weeks and we are trying to prepare now, we have two separate crates and plan on training them separate and once they listen to us try to see if they listen when around each other like in the garden. My partner and i can’t support however ponder in case I’m performing these people any disservice by means of raising these people jointly – that they sound pretty closely bonded jointly and haven’t warmed up in order to other puppies still. I’ve heard that this breed tends to pull. Hi Ellen – be sure to reach out to a local positive-based dog trainer to seek guidance. Now I would know to do the things you did and I’m sure i would have missed many of the problems. Question: this separation, what’s a good ratio of together vs separate play times/socialization? I hope that i can give these 2 a wonderful life. We just got 2 standard poodle puppies. Each time the leashed dog doesn’t show anxiety or stress, give him a treat. I read putting them in their crates as ” punishment” wasn’t good because you want their crate to be a good place, but separating them is all I know to do. I got Charlie Brown, the very last dog — nobody wanted him because he was considered the alpha. So I give my dogs Ewegurt (https://www.keepthetailwagging.com/ewegurt) about 30-40 minutes before I plan to leave. For more information on whether or not you can successfully raise two puppies at once, check out my other puppy videos! And how did you then create that space? Also, did you spay/neuter your entire pack? 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